Samsung Moment

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Zumaki
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Nov 20, 2009

The clock is ticking... 

I really like my Moment, and I'm sympathetic to Sprint/Samsung's need for time to solve the problems with the phone.

 

However, I am on a 30-day countdown. If there's no news of an impending update or some sort of significant, solid reassurance that this phone is going to be put in full working order soon, I'm going to have to return it.

 

As long as I have had cell phones, I've only ever used simple flip phones. This purchase is a big leap forward for me, and while it might be normal for phones to be released with bugs and outdated software, I find this to be unacceptable. Don't you people have focus groups, testers, quality control... something? The impression I'm left with, after considering the above along with many of the things I read in other discussions here as well as in the news, is one of disappointment. Nine days to go...

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aBsTRaCt
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1. Nov 20, 2009 Posted in response to: Zumaki
Re: The clock is ticking...

Out of curiousity - to what phone would you return?

 

I can understand if this is your first venture into a smartphone...you're bound to be left with a bitter taste in your mouth - as it ain't perfect.

 

Is this phone providing the same functionality one of your old flip phones have, albiet with less battery life?  I'm genuinely interested in which specific functions are creating a poor user experience for you.

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3. Nov 20, 2009 Posted in response to: Zumaki
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I have experienced and agree with all of your issues listed, and then some.  This phone has the potential to be something really special but the current bugs are somewhat embarassing.  It's unfortunate that nobody has an idea when fixes will be available, and the lack of communication to Sprint employees about fixes is irritating.  Hopefully you'll get resolution soon so you can keep your phone but I wouldn't hold my breath.

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4. Nov 20, 2009 Posted in response to: Zumaki
Re: The clock is ticking...

Thank you for taking the time to write up this feedback.  Most of what you've described has been documented here, and is probably experienced by a variety of people that noticed and were annoyed, didn't notice, or noticed, but it wasn't bothersome enough to follow up on.

 

I personally have been a smartphone user for about 5 years...and have progressed from windows mobile variations to android just recently.  Every phone and software version updates with each of those phones have had..."quirks".  It is definitely annoying, especially as you start to get hooked on the things you can do with the device...such as pandora.  Streaming internet radio to your handset is something that would have been hard be used to even 5 years ago...but is now almost a necessity to folks that use transit systems every morning and evening.  If you wanted to, you could even setup a media server on your home computer, and stream all of your music from there to your handset.  This is all new technology - but it just doesn't seem to work all the time.  When it does, it's awesome.

 

I really think the android platform is still in it's infancy, and has a lot of growing up to do.  It's not as polished as it's more mature WM/Symbian/Palm counterparts - but it also follows a completely different, more wild-west kind of model.  Control of the "phone experience" is spread between Google, the manufacturer, the carrier, and the author of every single app available in the marketplace.  The user can completely customize their interaction with the device.  You can get a new homescreen (check out GDE).  You can get a new SMS client (check out Chomp).  You can get a new camera application that is more feature filled (Check out FxCamera).  Testing every possible combination of these "phone experience" with a limited user group is just not possible.  I've noticed that when i go to the market and check the "My Downloads" section for updates - 5-20 of the applications that i've downloaded have new udpates available (and i'm checking every 2-3 days).  Every once and a while - an app that was crashing will work fine after an update...or an app that worked perfectly breaks after the update.

 

With my experience with smartphones - These are the ones I personally believe Sprint should be empowered to address immediately - and I guarantee you i'll do everything in my power to do so (which isn't that powerful, i'm a cog):

     -aGPS - if we can't fix it, we need to get a timeline from the manufacturer for fix

     -Battery Meter - if it really is a matter of training as the forums have speculated - we need to formalize training steps

 

Both of these are core OS features, and should be independent of all the potential problems that could be caused by apps.  I think a lot of the rest might just come with the turf as part of the tradeoff between "awesome" and "stable"

 

So, understanding that there is a tradeoff / balance between being able to do all sorts of crazy stuff and everything working perfectly consistently...Out of the issues you outlined above - which ones do you, as a consumer, realistically feel like Sprint should be able to address in a way that will persist through different software / app versions etc.

 

I really do appreciate this dialogue.  My manager is shouting at me now so I should probably go do the stuff i get paid to do.

 

 

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5. Nov 20, 2009 Posted in response to: aBsTRaCt
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The days are gone when you could sit in a wire cage and TX/RX voice/data (the old white hair RF Engineer's know what I'm talking about).  Welcome to the convergence of everything digital.  Sprint clearly does not understand this.  It's obvious they have no QA, or real Engineer's actually approving these phones.  They have no test plans.  Sprint's plan is to have marketing and procurement talk to an OEM to make sure that "Sprint" is branded on the phone.  I will even wager that Sprint's FCC cert's are done only in Sprint's name, but the real Engineering work is either outsourced or done by the OEM.  Thus, Sprint is just a shell with no real value add, other than taking money from suckers.

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7. Nov 20, 2009 Posted in response to: Zumaki
Re: The clock is ticking...

Thx again.

 

a> Excellent suggestion.  This can apply specifically to both aGPS/battery issues.  Transparency is important, and probably moreso with an actively engaged Android community.  I will pass this along (i'm still trying to find the right contact(s) internally)

b> I've seen variants of this story on the interwebs - reaching out to my retail contact to see if an official policy exists.

c> "reasonable interperetation" - hopefully i can find out more about this and possibly share.  Advertising strategy in general is sometimes just a mystery managed way beyond my paygrade.

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8. Nov 20, 2009 Posted in response to: aBsTRaCt
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b> expanded - product pricing typically is determined by distribution channel, and takes into account the overhead associated with each channel.  Employees at big box stores might be positioned to sell branded products, but aren't necessarily an "expert" on them.  Likewise, online storefronts without physical employees selling product have a much lower overhad cost than a brick-and-mortar with hands-on product demos and trained assosciates.  One other important thing to note is that typically super-low advertised prices are with establishment of a multi-year contract - which ensures that any subsidies on the product is able to be recouped over the life of the contract.

 

That was incredibly paraphrased, and I wouldn't consider that statement of official policy by any means - but it makes sense to a certain extent.  In any event, varied pricing for the same product can certainly be confusing - as a consumer most likely doesn't consider the distribution channel they're getting it through - just look at the bottom line price.  That said...this tells me why i don't buy cables / adapters etc. at big box stores....I buy them online because they're cheaper.

 

Hrm.

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9. Nov 21, 2009 Posted in response to: Zumaki
Re: The clock is ticking...

Simple solution. Keep what you got or take it back. Order the one from Amazon or go back to your other phone.

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10. Nov 21, 2009 Posted in response to: Zumaki
Re: The clock is ticking...

Zumaki wrote:

 

...This isn't like World of Warcraft where its okay to let the customer beta test things... its an expensive phone that requires an expensive plan to work, and right now I have this phone and I don't know how many of the bugs and issues are able/going to be solved through software updates, and how many are or might be hardware problems that won't ever go away. ...

 

 

I don't play world of warcraft but I don't think they require a 2 year contract.  I have 2 moments which basically have non functioning GPS.  If not fixed with a few days to test before my 30 day trial expires they go back, possibly meaning I go back to tmobile with my 4 line family plan.

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11. Nov 21, 2009 Posted in response to: Zumaki
Re: The clock is ticking...

Zumaki,

 

You said:

 

-Phone ships with default settings that drain the battery quickly... if I hadn't stumbled upon a Moment user forum to help me stabilize battery life, I would have taken the phone back in the first week.

 

Could you please post a link to the forum where you found that information?  I would like to fix the battery drain issue in my Moment.

 

Thanks!!!

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12. Nov 21, 2009 Posted in response to: blackfire
Re: The clock is ticking...

@blackfire

 

Check this post on this site: http://community.sprint.com/baw/thread/24627?tstart=0


As well as another over at androidforums:  http://androidforums.com/samsung-moment/13783-possible-battery-quirk.html  (there's really good info starting around page 7)

 

Sarah has also posted tips/tricks here: http://community.sprint.com/baw/community/buzzaboutwireless/phones-and-devices/android_phones/moment/blog/2009/11/01/how-can-i-maximize-battery-life-on-the-sph-m900-moment

 

It looks like the issue really is the metering on the battery, not the battery life itself.  In summary - people are all using different methods with different results - but comment thought is that using a slower usb charge rather than the wall outlet improves the reported life.  There is also a lot of argument about whether or not you have to "train" these batteries and how to do so.

 

 

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