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Nov 6, 2007 5:31 PM

Mogul / Customer Service/e-Care / device problems

Ok! Heres the deal. Ever since the notorious 2.16 ROM update my device has been locking up and dropping my BT connections to the headset. At first I was like, people calm down! If you BT disconnects just reconnect. We can all live with a little disco here and there. Yeah! Right! After about 2 days the BT discos and freezes were becomin unbearable.
I e-mailed e-care and explained my dilemma. I've posted the whole transcript below and blocked out the reps name. Don't want to get her in trouble. I'm sure she was just doing her job. However, she ended our conversation by stating Sprints policy about Sprint not being responsible for manufacturer hardware problems.
It kind of seemed unfair and almost ridiculous being that Sprint has service centers that do fix manufacturer hardware defects. In fact I've had my firmware flashed for a couple phones in the past at a Sprint store. So why the partialism. The only reason I can't leave Sprint is because of their 3g network and great plans. However customer service is becoming a joke. Note that even when I told the lovely rep that I would leave she didn't even try to coerce me to stay. T-Mobile would beg you literaly to stay if you said you were leaving. I was with them for five years and once they get HSDPA 3g next years I'm jumping back.
Anyway transcript posted below for your just critique.(Sorry read from bottom to top)

Dear Joshua,

 

I am sorry you feel this way. We do not replace phones when the issue with them is a manufacturers defect. this information is provided in the Terms and Conditions you agreed to when you started service.

 

No additional information needs to be provided to the purchaser of the phone for activation.

 

If you wish to port out please contact the other service provider for assistance.

 

Thank you for using E-Care, and have a great day!

 

xxxxx Y

E-Care

Sprint

"Where our customers come first!"

 

Original Message Follows:

 

Dear xxxxx

 

I take it Sprint does not want my business and you've made that very clear. My last question is: Since I'm cancelling my service. If I sell my phone on eBay is there any info I need to give the buyer for them to be able to activate the phone.

 

I've decided to go back to T-Mobile, I'm aware of the 2 year agreement, however paying that is not a problem if I can get better service elsewhere. Do I need to call T-Mobile first to port my number or do you guys do that?

 

It's been a fun 5 months but I think I know when I'm not needed as a customer.

 

Thanks

 

-Original Message -

 

From: Sprint Customer Solutions - eCare ecare@cc.sprintpcs.com

Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 7:50 AM

To: Joshua

Subject: RE: Subject: ID # xxxxx

 

Dear Joshua,

 

Welcome to Sprint, my name is xxxxx and I will be your online specialist. I will be happy to assist you today.

 

I am sorry for any inconvenience you have experienced. As you spoke with our Technical Support department you would have been advised of the options available to you. As the notice provided your with a fix to the update if your phone is not working you will need to take the phone to a Service and Repair Center for a warranty replacement. You can locate the nearest Service and Repair Center at sprint.com and click the link, 'Find a Store.'

 

Please note returns and exchanges can be completed up to 30 days from activation. Once your have exceeded the 30 day period any defects need to be refer back to the manufacturer. Therefore, an exchange can not be processed for you phone.

 

Sprint appreciates your relationship with us, and we look forward to serving you in the future. Thank you for using E-Care, and have a great day!

 

xxxxx Y

E-Care

Sprint

"Where our customers come first!"

 

Original Message Follows:

 

Thanks for your prompt response. However I am a little per perplexed by your response. I've spoken with Tech support and they've clearly stated it's not a fixable issue. Furthermore, there is bland message on the HTC America website which clearly attests to the bad ROM updates and suggests a possible fix in early 2008. I have pasted the exact quote from HTC and a link for your reference.

 

"NOTE: The ROM update version 2.16.651 posted on 10/24/2007 which had Bluetooth fixes has been removed. Update 2.16 caused some unanticipated conflicts in device performance. The Bluetooth fixes will be added to a future ROM update expected in early 2008. If you already updated your device to version 2.16, you can restore your device to the prior version by installing the file posted below. Please bookmark this webpage for future software updates."

 

LINK: http://www.america.htc.com/support/mogul/software-downloads.html

 

I am highly disappointed by your response. I feel my e-mail was not paid any attention and was given a generic response. Please read my e-mail again and confirm from HTC the unfixable issues I have listed.

 

Don't let me down xxxxx. Don't let Sprint down.

 

Thanks for the prompt response.

 

Joshua

 

-Original Message -

 

From: Sprint Customer Solutions - eCare ecare@cc.sprintpcs.com

Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 6:38 AM

To: Joshua

Subject: Re: Subject: ID # xxxxx

 

Dear Joshua,

 

Welcome to Sprint, my name is xxxxx and I will be your online specialist. I will be happy to assist you today.

 

I am sorry for the problems you are experiencing with your phone. Due to the nature of troubleshooting involved please contact Technical Support through Customer Care at *2 from your Sprint PCS phone.

 

Sprint appreciates your relationship with us, and we look forward to serving you in the future. Thank you for using E-Care, and have a great day!

 

xxxxx Y

E-Care

Sprint

"Where our customers come first!"

 

Original Message Follows:

 

 

 

Body:

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Name:

Form: Ask A Question Learn OR Feedback and Suggestions - Learn

Topic: Equipment

Contact Number: xxxxxxxxxx

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Question: I've been with Sprint since July. Needless to say I love Sprint. However, I've been very dissapointed lately with the lack of an update to fully resolve the issues of my Sprint Mogul 6800.

 

The number 1 issue is the bluetooth problem. When you released the 2.16 ROM update it made the bluetooth issues worse. Now the device just drops the connection to my headset. I applaud Sprint for admitting that the update was flawed. Very few companies would do that. However, it looks like the update also caused some other minor memory issues and device freezes.

 

Even though you have posted on the HTC website that an update will be released sometime in 2008, I feel it is too long a time frame to wait.

 

As you can see from my billing, I've been a good paying customer and intend to continue but at the same time I'd like Sprint not to ruin the so far good relationship by replacing my handset.

 

After reading numerous reviews on the internet, it appears that the issues beknown to the Mogul are not apparent on the Touch. Though the Touch doesn't have a keyboard I am willing to live with it. Furthermore, even if I have to pay the difference of the tw phones it will be fine by me.

 

So! What can Sprint do for me?

 

 

Thanks

 

Joshua

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  • Valued Member 106 posts since
    Sep 25, 2007
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    1. Nov 6, 2007 6:54 PM (in response to skomo)
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    Wow. Just wow.

    Crappy just doesn't describe that treatment.

    HTC said the problem lies with Sprint amd the OS. So I guess the ball is in Sprint's court then, heh. Sorry for the bad pun.

  • boe_d Silver Expert 1,052 posts since
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    2. Nov 6, 2007 11:49 PM (in response to skomo)
    Re: Mogul / Customer Service/e-Care / device problems

    Sorry about the bad luck. I'll agree it does seem unfair that Sprint makes you buy the phones they "test" for their network and then say they won't support them. Seems like a volkswagen dealership saying - sorry we didn't make the car so aren't responsible for the problems with it. Just go to Germany and have them fix it for you. So the Volkswagen tells you that the dealership was responsible because they installed custom devices such as notification system to bring your car into that dealership and buy things that mess up the electrical system.

  • Valued Member 52 posts since
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    3. Nov 9, 2007 6:47 PM (in response to skomo)
    Re: Mogul / Customer Service/e-Care / device problems

    .

    Message Edited by zonyl on 11-09-2007 11:47 AM

  • Regular Visitor 7 posts since
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    4. Nov 7, 2007 5:07 AM (in response to skomo)
    Re: Mogul / Customer Service/e-Care / device problems

    Here is the link I found for the T's & C's. Boy, that was NOT an easy task.

    http://nextelonline.nextel.com/en/legal/legal_terms_privacy_popup.shtml?id16=warranty

    Anyway, I only skimmed it but didn't see anything about faulty devices but I did see that we can't start any class action suits.

    No Class Actions TO THE EXTENT ALLOWED BY LAW, WE EACH WAIVE ANY RIGHT TO PURSUE DISPUTES ON A CLASSWIDE BASIS; THAT IS, TO EITHER JOIN A CLAIM WITH THE CLAIM OF ANY OTHER PERSON OR ENTITY, OR ASSERT A CLAIM IN A REPRESENTATIVE CAPACITY ON BEHALF OF ANYONE ELSE IN ANY LAWSUIT, ARBITRATION OR OTHER PROCEEDING.

  • Newbie 2 posts since
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    5. Nov 7, 2007 5:22 AM (in response to skomo)
    Re: Mogul / Customer Service/e-Care / device problems

    Is that even legaly binding? I'm no lawyer, but that sounds like a right you can't give up.

  • boe_d Silver Expert 1,052 posts since
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    6. Nov 7, 2007 6:33 PM (in response to skomo)
    Re: Mogul / Customer Service/e-Care / device problems

    I got my response from e-care today - she said she'd let me trade for any phone but at the moment I'd have to go through telesales to get the touch - which as any of you know they'll say - well I can't agree to that so you'll say let me send you the e-mail so that you have proof and they'll say we can't receive e-mails. Actually, I don't want the touch - frankly I don't want to ever use another HTC branded phone again - I'd like to get the treo 800w or even better yet a CDMA i-mate or Eten - something with a tad more current technology.

  • Regular Visitor 23 posts since
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    7. Nov 7, 2007 8:08 PM (in response to skomo)
    Re: Mogul / Customer Service/e-Care / device problems



    geetee wrote:
    Is that even legaly binding? I'm no lawyer, but that sounds like a right you can't give up.




    Not sure, but case in point; in Oregon real estate, our standard offer forms essentially require both parties to sign off that if there is a dispute, it must go to mediation. If that doesn't solve it, then arbitration and that is the final say and cannot be contested. You waive your right to sue, period!

  • Regular Visitor 16 posts since
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    8. Nov 8, 2007 2:05 AM (in response to skomo)
    Re: Mogul / Customer Service/e-Care / device problems

    They gave me a Touch as a replacement. I've had the Mogul since it came out.
    eCare told me they'd replace it for that, but they were never able to do the order and said to go to a Sprint Store and buy it and then they'd credit me... Obviously that'd be stupid because then I'd bill it to my credit card, and get a credit back on my account for the mogul, and it'd be like I pre-paid $500 in monthly fees.
    So, at that point I first called Technical Support and explained to them what eCare said they'd do for me. He agreed and said it would be fine, but his system said they were out of stock at that point. He asked me to e-mail him the stuff from eCare so he add it to my case so other people would see it and I wouldn't have to explain it thenext time I call if they don't want to do it.
    Then I called Retentions. The guy made an order after seeing the note on my account, but it didn't go through Had to try again on monday. Finally got the new HTC Touch yesterday, and I must say... night and day difference between it and the Mogul. It is so much faster and more stable... and the thing is TINY. It is basically the size of a RAZR, but it doesn't fold out (so it is smaller when you talk).

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